Talk:Paraguayan War

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Pope Francis and the Paraguayan War

Hello. I've attempted to add this very relevant information about the late Pope Francis and his statements about the Paraguayan War. I do think is very relevant because of the position of the Roman Pontiff, as a major "moral leader figure" and arguably the first one that actually spoke about this issue.

All sources are from newspapers of record or major outlets of many countries, including the BBC or Deutsche Welle. In recent days, I've also recieved notice that there are some books published in Paraguay and in Argentina that talk about this.

The original text I intended to add was this one:

Pope Francis, who was born in Argentina and was very close to Paraguayan migrants while he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires, on several ocasions denounced the "iniquitous" War of the Triple Alliance against Paraguay, "a country that was defeated by the injustice of internationalist interests", in his own words. He also celebrated the "heroic-ness" of the Paraguayan people in the defense of their country and for their "admirable spirit of perseverance in surmounting adversities and in working to build a prosperous and peaceful nation". And most especially, the Pope eulogized the Paraguayan women, to whom he declared as "the most glorious women of the Americas" because of their strength, the sufferings they had to endure and the efforts the Paraguayan women made after the war to rebuild their destroyed nation while keeping alive their culture and their faith.

Of course, this could be redacted in a more reasonable or adequate way by an expert Wiki author.

I considered it to be part of a MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THE WAR, but this could also be discussed.

So, I put this to your consideration and I myself believe this should be ADDED to this article, one way or another, maybe with a better and more seasoned style.

Most kindly. Mandyju (talk) 12:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Mandyju, please read WP:OR (as mentioned by Ttocserp earlier). Unless there's a source which explicitly lands at the conclusions you have derived from the sources, this content cannot be added to Wikipedia. Also, please read the message I left at your talk page. Thanks! Coeusin (talk) 13:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

There are several reasons why Mandyju won't do.

First, you must not in any circumstances attribute propositions to sources that do not state them; that is elementary. You violate this right away with your first cited source. Nowhere in The Guardian for 11 July 2025 does it say the Pope alleged Paraguay was "a country that was defeated by the injustice of internationalist interests" (a highly controversial statement, by the way). Nor does it say so in the BBC for 11 July 2025, your third cited source. The only source that does say that ("un país derrotado por la injusticia y los intereses internacionales") is ABC Color, in my opinion a junk newspaper with a history of supporting the Colorado Party, but anyway not a source with an international reputation for reliability. Thus you have attributed a highly controversial statement, which does not come from a reputable source, to three including the BBC and The Guardian which are.

Secondly, please read and understand WP:SYNTHESIS. Wikipedia:No original research#Synthesis of published material Even if your three cited sources were completely impeccable, you are not allowed to synthesise them like this. Ttocserp 14:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)